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The van. so that was one of the camps where the bones were found. >> deep in the national forest, five miles from where sheryl dunlap's torso had been found, investigators came upon a charred piece of skull and the bony fragments of a human hand in the ashes of a camp fire. >> they were badly burned. >> little camp fire pit kind of thing? >> yes. he had actually done a pretty good job of covering it p up. he had covered it up with straw and took measures to hide his tracks. >> the fire had been so thorough it was impossible to extract da from the dons. whoever killed sheryl dunlap had gone to ...

His information? >> we had briefcase full of information. we asked the judge for permission to turn it over under a very little used rule that allows the grand jury to use its inherent authority. and gerald goldman who was another assistant prosecutor on our trial team and i have written an article on nbcnews.com that had urged a long time ago that the public be made aware of the facts that mueller is gathering much like the facts were made known to the house judiciary committee. so we turned it over to them as a roadmap. it did not include any legal conclusion or crimes that we felt had been ...

Because i think that could backfire. >> joining me now is former watergate assistant prosecutor, john sail. john, i appreciate your time. you heard from former cia director leon panetta. do you agree with that, that we're coming close? >> with all respect to secretary panetta, none of us know what mr. mueller is doing, but logically, sure, they're coming close. i've never had a client, and you had a guest on in the prior segment, a former prosecutor. he laid out a good process for obstruction, that there is mounting evidence, but he never had a case where the office of legal counsel has said, ...

New york saying a crime is not a crime. what is going to be next? the sky's not blue? red is not red, an apple is a banana? it is just a bizarre world. and if that's a defense and that's what they're going to put forward we are in for a crazy ride ahead. >> we may already be in one. jennifer, to you. i just had last hour on a former law school classmate, good friend of rudy giuliani. he's a former assistant prosecutor in watergate. he was just with me. he said that the fact that there is not an official cooperation agreement, at least that we know of -- maybe it is under seal -- between michae...

Eliminate any physical evidence. there was one thing about tracking the odd guy with the red dog that they had going for them. state's assistant prosecutor. >> fortunately for the investigation, if somebody saw gary michael hilton they remembered him. he's got that kind of a face or presence that you don't forget. once we had the description, we had tons of witnesses coming forward. >> and investigators had those home videos of hilton to screen he's got that kind of a face or presence that you don't forget. once we had the description, we had tons of witnesses coming forward. >> and investigat...