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Sophisticated lenders. if you think deutsche bank lends money to anyone without doing their own process and tools and valuation of the assets from the ground up which is incredibly subjective, incredibly subjective, then you are doubting a lot of the banks and the people that would work with the trump organization and the trump family, it's ridiculous. >> sean: is there a means -- i know there has been a lawsuit filed, is there a means for a recusal in this case? i would assume an associate ag would take over anyway and probably have the same agenda, no? >> the likelihood that an associate wou...

I don't know matt whitaker. i didn't know matt whitaker. i didn't speak to matt whitaker. in all fairness to matt whitaker who, again, i didn't know. >> that was president trump insisting repeatedly he did not know matthew whitaker, his new acting attorney general despite passing on multiple officials who would perhaps be the more natural choice like his deputy ag, associate ag, or solicitor general. instead the president chose to personally appoint whitaker. we knew when trump said this that it wasn't accurate. but this weekend we have new details proving just how demonstrably false the presi...

More effective or they would have a better chance of changing the decision if they went back the same way to him with their message, which was to their principal associate ag to him. they reported back that they objected or recommended or -- clarify. they told him that they did not believe he should do it. he testified to us that he took that as a recommendation because they didn't call him directly he decided they were leaving the decision to him, so he decided to go forward. >> before i call on the next senator, i need a quick clarification. you said earliner reply to senator cordon that com...

House are in a state of crisis. rachel brand is leaving for somebody close to her and admin because she is very smart, accomplished and talent and wants to protect her career, she's going to walmart this source says. matt, what does this do to the way you think about the integrity and independence of the justice department. >> the pressure on the independence of the department is one of the reasons she's probably leaving. it's a miserable place to work right now. but often if you're the associate ag, you would stick around because you want the opportunity to either become the deputy attorney g...

Very good white house reporter for.3lit cosaid the white house are in a state of crisis. rachel brand is leaving for somebody close to her and admin because she is very smart, accomplished and talent and wants to protect her career, she's going to walmart this source says. matt, what does this do to the way you think about the integrity and independence of the justice department. >> the pressure on the independence of the department is one of the reasons she's probably leaving. it's a miserable place to work right now. but often if you're the associate ag, you would stick around because you wa...