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Well when he said, the question in this hall is whether this is the real policy. mike pence said a lot of right things, but i think it's the action that's going to speak a lot louder here. >> and the most important leader in europe, angela merkel speaking just before her. they were sitting together smiling, but what was her message for the vice president and the president? >> her message is this alliance, nato is important. you have a europe that has been incredibly rattled by the messages that they've heardro both candidate and president trump. he has called the the nato alliance obsolete. he...

Reassure european leaders. has he managed to do that? >> absolutely. i think the atmosphere and the body language in the room is probably a good indicator as to whether vice president mike pence managed to sell his message or not. as you know, kier, we heard fairly thin applause, especially during the portion where he called on more nato allies to cough up more cash on defense spending. but he offered all the right platitudes, assuring allies that the united states is firmly committed to nato, to european defense, saying european and american defense are inexplicably, permanently linked. he di...