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Are plans, with the migrant boats, to turn them around in foreign waters, or push them back into foreign waters, potentially into foreign waters, potentially into foreign ports. the problem with all of this, and it really has been the problem since the beginning of the year, is that you need an agreement from another country to make most of that happened, and at the moment, the home office has not got those agreements. there is lots of negotiation going on behind the scenes, there are lots of hopes we might be able to do some kind of deal, but when it comes to deporting asylum—seekers, when ...

They because it's starting to get into the really hot season, those numbers are expected to go down a little bit because it is just too hot to try to make that journey. the biden administration will have a short window of opportunity to try to do some thing before it kicks back up again in the fall, what do they need to do? >> i think they need to look at a variety of different things, first and foremost, you have to make sure that those crossing the border illegally, there is a consequence of that behavior. they need to understand that they can't remain here in the united states. that's what ...

So bad about applying in a another country? nothing in principle is so bad. we have that with candidate, but you can't tell people to wait in dangerous countries and try to apply for asimem in mexico or guatemala when they don't have fully functioning asylum systems. these people can't wait around in those countries and be safe and apply for asylum. this is effectively just a way to end asylum at the southern border. >> just to be clear for people who come in seeking asylum from central america who have been able to go through a process, in other words they say at the border crossing or to a b...

It's okay to say hey, look, that's not how this works. >> precisely. in that circumstance, we've determined you are already safe. because that's the bottom line requirement. >> that's what the entire legal architecture is attempting to provide. >> right. and the only other circumstances called safe third country agreements, emphasis on safe, we only have one such agreement with canada, that can only apply when the two countries have equally robust asylum systems.

Job, try to apply for asylum, it's okay to say hey, look, that's not how this works. >> precisely. in that circumstance, we've determined you are already safe. because that's the bottom line requirement. >> that's what the entire legal architecture is attempting to provide. >> right. and the only other circumstances called safe third country agreements, emphasis on safe, we only have one such agreement with canada, that can only apply when the two countries have equally robust asylum systems. so in that situation, if someone fleeing persecution from egypt passes through canada on his way to th...