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He won. i like at akin, he won. i look at o'donnell, she won. that guy mike lee beat bob bennett out in utah. you got -- knocked off a guy in indiana. they go around the country. they tend to win. >> but rove's candidates haven't been doing so well either. >> no. neither have nra candidates. neither have -- neither did adelson's candidates or koch candidates. >> i want two parties in this country where i can actually go into the election and decide who to vote for. >> you want the chris matthews party. >> i want a party where there is reason on both sides. not an echo, i want a choice. and tha...

You're haley barbour. you're chris christie, one of these thoughtful people in the republican party you can argue. how are you going to stop these people from running if fay want to? >> cash. >> how do you stop them if they have money behind them? >> money talks, right? if you don't want this guy to win and you've got the koch brothers and you have adelson there, that's why they have a pac, right? >> that worked well for romney. here is the deal money can't buy you, authenticity. >> they're authentic, i hate to tell you. they're the real thing. >> they're authentic to the point where -- if you...