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Right? this is not news. this is was language that was intended to stoke the interest and the rage of the trump base. i wonder if you agree with our thesis that -- i mean, at fox's problems are inherently the gop problems, which is, they are all just paralyzed by this existential fear that trump and his supporters will ditch their support for either the party or the outlet. >> fox is afraid of its audience, just like mitch mcconnell and the republican party our frayed of their voters. they do not fully understand these people. and they feel the need to give them what they think that they want....

With me tonight, as we unpack what is -- there has been quite a bit of coverage of this brief and the contents they are in. but every time i read a quote, even the ones i have heard before, it is explosive what we have learned here. can you talk to me a little bit about the defense that fox news is mounting in the face of all this information? >> well, fox will try to say that this is all protected speech under the first amendment. but alex, as you have seen in everything that we have heard over the last few days, this is anything but standard. and what dominion is arguing is that in fact it i...

Republican figure or any producer at fox news does. and this is why they reacted with such an about face after giving the audience what was initially good journalism. >> right. >> fox was the first to report -- let's not lose that as a fact of what happened here. fox was the first to report, and they were correct in -- you know, a lot of mainstream publications pilloried them and said, they got out way too ahead of the curve here. arizona is too early to call. well, they were right. and then fox backed away from that. once they saw the backlash from their audience, they said, you know what? we...

Wagner tonight. good evening, alex. time for ale >>wagn good evening, mehdi hasa. i agree with you, the news part of fox knew should be replaced by something like fox entertainment network, fox blood sport -- >> fox in a -- universe -- >> something with not news. thank you, my friend. it's good to see you. >> good to see you as well. >> thank you to you at home for joining us this hour. we're going to start this friday evening with a little trivia. i read a quote and you guess who said it. president donald trump is a, quote, demonic force, a destroyer. but he is not going to destroy us. i will...

Executives and on-air talent and producers informing them that what they were saying was not true. does dominion's case to you meet the legal standard of actual malice? >> it certainly seems really compelling. what these documents show is that we are looking for evidence of actual malice, which in regular person terms is just knowing or having strong doubts about whether something is true and deciding to pursu e the amplification anyway. these documents are showing that multiple people, higher- ups at fox, really did know that these things were false. not just that they doubted it, but they ab...