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It may affect the actual outcome of the investigation. >> that's true. i don't think the president has stepped into the moment. i disagree with tavis on this one point. i don't think b.e.t. is an example of him not stepping into the moment. him saying racism is a deeply entrenched problem in america is like saying the sky is blue and the grass is green. great job, president. but let's change that on a policy front. what he has done is use the really problematic intellectually challenged language. black people feel like this, and white people feel like this. >> that's what i say, i wrote this m...

He's running around cracking jokes on colbert. >> i had four kids here last night, their father just died, they were laughing and smiling with me. you're not serious all the time. >> i hear you. he's done it a little bit too much. they're doing it as a pr thing -- >> a president doing pr? oh, my god. >> there needs to be more seriousness when it comes to these things. i agree with tavis that the juxtaposition of it wasn't appropriate. >> we look at these students and people marching, young people mostly, of all ethnicities, marching all over the country when it comes to the response of the nyp...

Here's what he had to say about the protests. >> then attention spans move on, right? there's the next thing. there's some international crisis or there's something that happens here. and change doesn't really occur. and the value of peaceful protests, activism, organizing, it reminds the society this is not yet done. >> what's your reaction, tavis? the protests we're seeing across the country to eric garner and the darren wilson decision. what the president just said. >> first of all, i appreciate and agree with much of what the president had to say. there were two or three things that sort o...

Here or there on b.e.t. or colbert but step into your moment and provide the kind of conversation, the kind of leadership, the kind of focus on a social justice agenda that would make sure as dr. king said 50 years ago that we aren't still dealing with what he called the triple threat of racism, poverty, and militarism. >> tavis, you and i know each other, let's be honest. it sounds like you're being extremely hard on the president because -- >> oh, come on, don. don't start that nonsense again, don. >> no, no. this is not easy. it's not non-sns. i'm just being honest with you. as i sit here, ...

Because the children of eric garner were on tonight and they were smiling. are you saying the president can't be multidimensional? because you mentioned stephen colbert and then you mentioned going on b.e.t.? he can't be multidimensional dealing with this situation? >> no, what i'm saying is i'd like to know when this b.e.t. interview was scheduled. most folk were unaware of it. it sort of came out of nowhere. it wasn't mentioned in the listings. i don't know what the motivation was for doing that. what i'm suggesting is that the president, you know, can't have one message for us, to be calm, ...