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>> wolf i don't think anything is wrong with it. i know every atf agent that i know would hope there would be stronger and stricter measures. but we have to enforce the laws that congress enacts. and we have to deal with states' rights as well. it's a very complicated issue for us. >> final thought from you, joey jackson. >> sure. something has to give. it's time obviously, not only to have the discussion but to match action with the discussion. i know it's just not the issue of gun control. absolutely it's mental health and what surrounds that. but you know what? it's all too often that we're...

Murder money, that $40,000. wolf? >> pamela, thank you. let's bring back our law enforcement analyst tom fuentes. also matthew horace, a former atf agent in charge. we heard about this one witness according to this indictment lying about the nature of this $40,000 delivery if you will. what does all of this say to you? >> it's very suspicious, wolf. if he laid on something that really should be pretty easy to know or remember in terms of the facts of this case it's one thing when witnesses in the heat of trauma see a bank robber run out the door and misidentify that person. in this situation t...

Sickened by any other assertion. >> but in a cnn phone interview after the shootout, david koresh says otherwise. >> they started firing at me, and so then what happened was some of the young men started firing on them. they fired on us first. >> we didn't shoot first. we didn't. they shot first. if i thought that an atf agent would drive up in front of a structure and shoot, i would throw my badge in the garbage. it didn't happen. >> probably the only person who will ever know who actually shot first is the person who shot first. >> no one could know that the shootout was just a hint of what ...

From the start one question dominates all others. who shot first? >> when we drove up, the davidians opened fire and i'm sickened by any other assertion. >> but in a cnn phone interview after the shootout, david koresh says otherwise. >> they started firing at me, and so then what happened was that some of the young men started firing on them. they fired on us first. >> we didn't shoot first. we didn't. they shot first. if i thought that an atf agent would drive up in a front of a structure and shoot, i'd throw my badge in the garbage. didn't happen. >> probably the only person who will ever k...

>> but in a cnn phone interview after the shootout, david koresh says otherwise. >> they started firing at me, and so then what happened was that some of the young men started firing on them. they fired on us first. >> we didn't shoot first. we didn't. they shot first. if i thought that an atf agent would drive up in a front of a structure and shoot, i'd throw my badge in the garbage. didn't happen. >> probably the only person who will ever know who shot first is the person who shot first. >> no one could know that the shootout was just a hint of what was coming. a tense 51-day standoff that w...