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And so then what happened was some of the -- some of the young men started firing on them. they fired on us first. >> we didn't shoot first. we didn't. they shot first. and if i thought that an atf agent would drive up in front of the structure and shoot i would throw my badge in the garbage. didn't happen. >> probably the only person who will ever know who actually shot first is the person who shot first. >> no one could know that the shootout was just a hint of what was coming. a tense, 51-day standoff that would escalate into a conflagration of biblical proportions.

And so what happened was some of the young men started firing on them. they fired on us first. >> we didn't shoot first. we didn't. they shot first. if i thought that an atf agent would drive in front of a structure and shoot, i would throw my badge in. >> probably the only person who will ever know who shot first is the person who shot first. >> no one could know that the shootout was just a hint of what was coming. a tense 51-day standoff that would escalate into a conflagration of biblical proportions. at farmers we make you smarter about insurance,

Or would this be handled by your standard professional fbi interrogation team? >> i would say the high value target team would be in boston already and they want it interview this guy. these are u.s. citizens. and whatever the protocol that that high value team developed, is going to have to come into play. you remember, this guy came to the u.s. when he was 8 years old. he is a u.s. citizen. all of his rights are afforded but i would say that team is there. and if they are not the ones doing the interview, they are standing outside the door talking to the agent who are doing the interview. >>...

Turning back now into the investigation of the bombings at the boston marathon. joining us now by phone is retired atf agent in charge jim cavenaugh. now with all the security precaution that's are put in place at events like these, why weren't these bombs detected? what went wrong? >> looks like the boston police swept the area with the bomb-sniffing dogs and bomb squad but they did not totally secure the area after they swept it. and that can be for a lot of reasons. issues, whether they suspected anything that would happen. a marathon is a very difficult thing to secure anyway just because ...

Amounts of ammunition or weapons. or they're destroyed within 24 hours because somehow that is an impingement on the 2nd amendment rights. we have to take a very different approach, i think, and talk about the responsibility of these rights and not just sort of erring -- far erring on the side of supposedly protecting gun owners. what about protecting -- again, we talked about the protective right to vote and other areas where we also have responsibilities. >> when you were an a.t.f. agent, what were the tools you need nd law that you didn't have? what frustrated you the most about what you we...