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Perception. but i actually think part of what's interesting in this is i actually don't think those huge donations are foolproof and he understood that, right. if you look at harvard admits a few thousand a year, if it just -- >> can't all donate. >> if it worked to do a few million and get in that whole class would do that. those people attempt donations and don't get their kids in and what this guy figured out was that he puts a front door to get in the legit way, a back door which is big check but he as he put it all you get is a second look or leg up and said my people wanted a side door, ...

Country's rich and famous pursue ever more elaborate schemes to get their children into college." there's a lot there, robert. >> robert: this was criminal activity. i don't think it's a republican or democrat thing. this was a criminal activity. listen, i have given to university of and the wharton school. neither of my kids decided to go there. i am proud that i get back to the school. i will -- >> harris: is that your alma mater? >> robert: that is my alma mater. there's a big difference when you are changing the resumes and bio playlists of your will, their athletic ability. literally lyin...

Kids who spent all this time on and off the field to better themselves and enrich the school with their incredible athletic ability. kids who played sports competitively, most kids now they focus on one sport since about the time they are seven. i know because i've lived through. if found guilty, those involved in the scandal are the new faces of yes, greed, corruption and selfishness in a rare moment of honesty even fake news cnn donald lemmon summed it up like this. take a look. >> this is an america that can be deeply unfair were hard work doesn't necessarily pay off. where if you have mone...

Also politics. there are people so famous that their children walk into any college and don't get there on their own merit. this is part of the much bigger system of privilege and favor with college kids all over the country listening to the story and they are going, yeah, like everybody knows this; right? true. this k has been going on for so long. >> i don't think we're going to be able to fix everything; right? that's just a part of the human makeup. we know things like this happen. we know things like legacies happen or people get in because their families have a particular name or particu...

Were famous politically that their children walk into any college they want them to get into and don't get there on their own merit. this is part of a much bigger system of privilege and favor that has been -- college kids all over this country listening to to the story and they're going yeah, like everybody knows this. this has been going on for so long. >> i don't think we're going to be able to fix everything, right, because it's part of the human makeup. we know things like this happen. we know things like legacies happen where people get in because their families have a particular name or...