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Front of the tv cameras, between the president's legal team and the mueller team. real negotiations don't happen in front of the cameras. >> what did you make of the federal judge going after mueller's team, saying you're out to get the president? you're using mueller to get the president. it's harsh stuff. >> it's troubling why he would say that based on the substance. also on the substance, prosecutors use evidence in other crimes for cooperation all the time. it's not clear why he's suggesting it's improper. >> or new. >> right. he does have a reputation for being tough on government lawyer...

David, is his legal team. right now they're in negotiation with the special counsel. they're talking about the president, is he going to testify? what will the parameters oh of that be? how did they react when the president tweets things like this? >> well, not well. he's clearly unmanageable and has been in this investigation from the beginning. there's these two impulses. you see it may out on the sean hannity piece of this story, which is donald trump has a gut sense of how to attack everyone coming at him. and to attack mueller, to attack the -- this investigation as being beyond the scope...

The president has had kid gloves a bit toward mueller, saying in december he thought mueller would treat him fairly, following his lawyer's advice not to attack mueller that much on twitter, breaking from that only in recent weeks. but the president, as we have to remember, still has an interview decision to make about mueller. will he willingly sit down and talk to him? and given the recent events, will the president now take a more adversarial tone and say, okay, mr. mueller, you want to talk to me, subpoena me. i don't think i have to sit down with you. let's go to a judge and figure out if...

About openly. he talks to his friends about it. he talks to his advisers about it. he certainly thinks a lot about it. he's even sort of broached the subject publicly, even telling us in july he wouldn't have made sessions the attorney general if he knew he was going to recuse himself. obviously we don't know what the president's going to do. he's an unpredictable person. will he fire mueller? everyone in washington asks that question. who knows? what i do think we'll see here is a more adversarial tone towards mueller. the president has had kid gloves a bit toward mueller, saying in december ...

Thought about firing them for a year. the thought of firing them is not new. this is something he has talked about openly. he talks to his friends about it. he talks to his advisers about it. he certainly thinks a lot about it. he's even sort of broached the subject publicly, even telling us in july he wouldn't have made sessions the attorney general if he knew he was going to recuse himself. obviously we don't know what the president's going to do. he's an unpredictable person. will he fire mueller? everyone in washington ask ths t question. who knows? what i do think we'll see here is a more...