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Tactics were used did produce intelligence that helped thwart attack plans, capture terrorists and save lives. i think you'll hear him make a similar case. what's been striking is that the president and john brennan have disagreed so starkly on this point. president obama making the complete opposite point. and essentially saying that he supports what the intelligence report found, which is that these interrogation tactics didn't lead to actionable intelligence and they did, in fact, amount to torture. this is really the first time we're seeing this type of split between the president and the ...

These methods led to good intelligence and saved lives. well, today, a big change. we hear brennan now publicly agreeing with the white house, saying that it is unknowable whether that intel was knowable or could have been gotten by other means and this has become yet another question, when the techniques were used. the cia direct for today defended his agency in an unprecedented press conference. >> the detention and interrogation program produced useful intelligence that helped the united states thwart, attack plans, capture terrorists and save lives. >> reporter: but with a strong caveat on...

Do here as this sound bite makes clear. >> i don't think that you can know what it feels like to know that america has gone through the worst attack on the continental united states in its history, and you're uncertain as to what's coming next. so there were a lot of people who did a lot of things right and worked very hard to keep us safe, but i think that any fair minded person looking at this would say that some terrible mistakes were made in allowing these kinds of practices to take place. >> mr. obama's own cia chief, john brennan, says he does not believe the senate report. quote, our re...

With the democrats. senator john mccain who was tortured in vietnam. he welcomed the report and backed its findings. former heads of the spy agency are speaking out saying those extreme interrogation methods did save lives. here's now abc's jonathan karl. >> the tactics were harsh but the cia says it's flat out wrong to say they did not work. the brutal interrogations the cia director george brennan said did produce intelligence that helped thwart attack plans, capture terrorists and save lives. and in a fiery defense of the spy agency's honor, three former cia directors and their deputies s...

State colin poll. >> there are record stating that colin powell wasn't told about the program at first because there were concerns that, and i quote, powell would blow his stack. >> republicans warned the report could inspire more terrorism. >> trkd it could be used to incite unrest and even attacks against our service members e personnel overseas and our international partners. >> insisting the interrogations did help thwart attack plans, capture terrorists and save lives. >> some of the tactics that were written about in the senate intelligence report were brutal. and as i've said before, co...