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There were some actually substantive admissions in there. he admitted that he asked the ukraine government to investigate joe biden in that interview. he didn't realize he did, just as corey lewandowski probably didn't realize he was going to admit that he lies to the media, or that the president committed obstruction of justice or asked him to do something that he was, you know -- that was not lawful. >> yeah. >> i think that it was -- but i think that that was -- it was important, the admissions that he -- his performance was important, and also what he ended up admitting, very important as ...

You know -- that was not lawful. >> yeah. >> i think that it was -- but i think that that was -- it was important, the admissions that he -- his performance was important, and also what he ended up admitting, very important as well. >> yeah, i -- >> it's a tactic. it's a tactic. >> there's no question. i call those "attack-tics." they've become the new normal. people say, how do you keep your cool? i know what it is. this one was a little different than others because i've known rudy giuliani most of my life. i have always respected him. i have a lot of questions about what he's decided to do ...

Trump for any of his wild statements. the question is, is that going to change? chris? >> i don't know that he's called them stupid before either. we'll see how that plays. we'll get response from the carson camp and we'll hear more from mr. trump himself while being tested on cnn last night. we'll get plenty of reaction to what this will mean, his new phase of attack-tics as well. armstrong williams will be here to talk about what he thinks is going on with trump and why he does not think it will work. >> attack-tics. i like that. >> thank you. secret service agent has been arrested after b...