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Terrorism. they've done better recently but, honestly, they've been distracted by brexit. that's why i think johnson's approach, which is we've got to get serious about this, put brexit behind us, i think his approach is exactly right. eric: the organizer of the group, according to his father -- a young man at cambridge university -- was apparently killed in this. i mean, is it, does this show that -- can they be rehabilitated? is that each in the realm of possibilities once you adhere to that philosophy which, to them, is a religious, deeply-held zeal to kill the infidels, us? can that change...

Been retribution, or it could have been a test just to see how certain entities, organizations react to these kinds of attacks. jenna: when you're talking about these attacks, could they come from a group of private individuals, or do they really look like government-sponsored attacks x is there a way to tell? >> well, in this most instances there's not a way to tell except with a lot of cyber dna, and that cyber dna takes time. the ones that you're referring to that happened in israel just a couple days ago, that investigation's still going on. but that could have been perpetrated by anybody ...