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Of the people have been punished. some people have then resigned. that's been resolved. if you look at -- if you make the conservative charge is that the president is covering up some malfeasance or something, but if you look at the revisions, you don't see that the white house being involved in covering these things up. it's victoria nuland who actually is not a political appointee, but a career foreign servi serviceperson who worked for the national security council during the bush years. >> hey, david, when you see jay carney at 4:00 p.m. on a friday holding a briefing, having already had a...

Holding a briefing, having already had a background briefing, that tells you this thing is very high on the attention scale of the white house. i think -- >> indeed. >> -- unlike any time in the whole era post-september 11th, meaning this september 11th that we're talking about. >> yeah, jay carney has got caught saying something that wasn't completely true. >> that's called a lie, david. >> we in washington -- everything you say that's not true may not be a lie, but if you want to accept that premise, i'll happily accuse you of lying when you get things wrong. >> okay. i'll let you try that o...