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Substantial evidence to prove each one of the three elements of the offense. that is about as close as you can possibly come to saying this person committed the offense of obstruction of justice. without using exactly those words. i'm not going to guess as to what the true opinion is or the private discussions were in the team. we have to live with what he put in the report. i understand how it's unsatisfying to fema. director mueller was really threading a needle here going as far as he thought he could go without violating the olc policy. >> i'm not sure if you saw the president attorney jay...