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Started, people said oh, you can't get there from here. it's too hard. the russians will never agree. you'll never be able to come up with the verification measures. i hear all of that now for cyber. but yeah, it takes awhile and yeah, we don't know the solutions right now but we have to begin the process and the trump administration has eliminated the people in the state department who are doing that. the trump administration eliminated the position in the white house that was thinking about that. >> but the argument people would make is unlike arms control and unlike nuclear weapons, the pro...

Talking about? >> j.m. it seems like the idealogs who got us into iraq is continuing on this front. brought down regime change to all the countries and they are going for the last that's bashar assad. how do we fight bashar assad and fight isis and basically begin to wage war through bombing raids on their nuclear facilities, iran? i mean how many fronts do these people want us fighting on and is it feasible for even our grand army to take on that campaign? >> well i think it is a stretch to say that we can do all of these things or any one of them. i mean i think that fundamentally we have an...