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Know it's difficult for you to conceptualize, how to create a hit show, what are the ingredients? >> you have to be honest and aware of what the audience is expecting. you don't have to pander, but you can't be doing stories about bach andbeethoven. you have to know why they're tuning in and craft these shows so it entertained and informs. >> you have been watching me. as you know, i need a lot of help, personally as a host. where do you see room for improvement in my presentation? >> everywhere. >> can you be more specific? >> no. >> everywhere? >> yeah, you're a disaster. >> a disaster. >> y...

The end of the movie? i'm wondering do we have a sense that the shooter might have been sitting there two hours through a movie? >> i wouldn't be able to guess that. it sounded like -- it was 7:30. so it could have been the beginning but i wouldn't be with able to tell you for sure. >> 7:30, i think it's possible that you could expect that to be around the beginning with an audience. jim cavanaugh, probably an audience just collected in the theater at that hour and with the lights dimmed, maybe watching with trailers of movies to come. at that hour, given movie exhibition schedules that's prob...

In modern-day slavery and giving that attention too by having solomon northup in this movie and people knowing him and knowing his family, understanding who he is, obviously that translate to someone else who, you know, wherever they are in the world, who was kidnapped and sort of brought into sort of servitude in a similar way. i'm sorry, i'm getting a bit excited there. but it was just -- what i'm trying to say is for me it was always a parallel. this was a mirror. this was a mirror of what's actually happening in our reality. and that's what cinema is good. so it's not about 1841 when solom...

Solomon northup in this movie and people knowing him and knowing his family, understanding who he is, obviously that translate to someone else who, you know, wherever they are in the world, who was kidnapped and sort of brought into sort of servitude in a similar way. i'm sorry, i'm getting a bit excited there. but it was just -- what i'm trying to say is for me it was always a parallel. this was a mirror. this was a mirror of what's actually happening in our reality. and that's what cinema is good. so it's not about 1841 when solomon was kidnapped. it's actually about 2014. >> i just have one...

Director and editor and thinking about, mm, i wish i'd had the light a little different in that scene? or do you get to have that collective audience experience that we all have? >> i still -- yes, i do. and when you've -- it's funny, when you finish a film, after editing it, and i watched it with the audience for the first time when we finished it, yeah, it was -- it was like a roller coaster ride. it was -- because you do distance yourself from it. you can look at it in the way that it's -- you're not involved in it. and it becomes a story because, you know, i had amazing actors like michael...