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Jose Diaz-Balart Reports

to be dead from apparent, as you actually just said, jim, self-inflicted gunshot wound. and may have been a student. we're also being told by jonathan and tom that three others injured including two students and an administrator. one could be fatal. but that investigation is currently ongoing, jim. >> yeah, right. so they -- they have some facts they haven't put out, but they do have family notifications to make. and that's critical. they have a family reunification center set up. so hopefully within the next couple of hours they'll be more transparent, get the families notified and get the facts out because they got a community on edge up here. and he did say that you don't have to worry, but people want information. you're the police, and the sheriff, and they want as much information as you can legally give them as quick as you can. that's part of your duty as well. hopefully within the next couple of hours they'll get that. it looks like probably, you know, a suicide in a child,

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Jose Diaz-Balart Reports

developing, breaking news situation. those numbers may very well change. i want to be transparent about that with you as we begin to watch and this story develops as well. multiple gunshot victims as was told by the sheriff there as well. want to bring in jim cavanaugh, retired atf special agent in charge and former hostage negotiator and msnbc contributor. jim, good to talk to you again. here we are, four days into a new year and we're looking at a shooting incident at a high school in iowa when we should be talking about politics in iowa. this is what we're talking about in the united states of america. we didn't get a lot of information there from the sheriff, giving us, you know, a little bit of a timeline, the shooting happening early this morning, 7:37 a.m., getting word, an indication. it seems as if they have neutralized the shooter.

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Jose Diaz-Balart Reports

a student. i want to reiterate as well this happened before the school day had actually started. i know my children get dropped off sometimes early at school before the school day gets started. a lot of kids gathering oftentimes in the cafeteria, having breakfast before they're able to get into the classroom or team throughout the day. i'm looking at iowa gun laws here, because it is not something i'm necessarily familiar with, and i don't know if you're necessarily familiar with iowa gun laws becoming a constitutional carry state for open and concealed carry for residents and nonresidents. anything else, jim, you can share with us that you know about the iowa gun laws? >> well, i don't know particularly iowa gun laws, but it follows closely with a lot of western and southern states where the gun laws are very loose. constitutional carry is passed in many states now. but what we don't have the fact is this an adult or a juvenile. of course, many student shootings are juveniles.

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Jose Diaz-Balart Reports

police and county coming in. so, you know, even though the town may be small, there is plenty of law enforcement around, they just all gathered together. it is a team effort. so, it doesn't necessarily mean big cities can handle it better than small towns. it is the training, it is the effort they put into it, and a lot of small town officers are involved in lots and lots of shootings and violence. it does happen everywhere. >> jim cavanaugh for us, thank you, sir, as always for jumping on this. we very much appreciate you. for folks just joining us, we have been following this breaking news story out of perry, iowa, a shooting incident at a high school there. we're learning at 7:37 a.m. police got the call in that there was a shooting in progress. we now know the shooter is believed to be dead, as is reported by tom winter and jonathan dienst.

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jim, ongoing investigation, getting more facts, learning more when it comes to the timeline and, of course, the numbers of people that have been injured, who was involved in this investigation, because as we look to the lineup at that very brief press conference, the sheriff of the police department there, we saw some special agents in the background. >> right. so the sheriff likely is the official who has school resource deputies in the schools in the county. so that's why the sheriff is the one speaking. he probably controls the school area, so sheriffs' detectives, the iowa division of criminal investigation, which you saw one of the special agents behind him who spoke about a future press conference, that's the iowa division of criminal investigation. they're the state's investigators. iowa state troopers there, of course, in uniform. and, of course, fbi arrived, atf arrived. those agents basically act as

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there are particular things that need to occur, and jim cavanaugh was eluding to earlier, to use gasoline in combination with several other things, and not to give people ingredients of making a bomb of that type i won't go further, but according to all the law enforcement officials we have spoke with, there's no indication this individual espoused a particular ideology, whether it's far left or far right or a designated foreign terror organization, and they do have writings from him left behind from a hotel room they searched last night, but so far those have not provided any specific motive. family members were interviewed, and they expressed he could have mental health issues but he apparently never sought treatment for those because

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Ana Cabrera Reports

terrorism. it could be a suicidal maniac who wants to now kill a lot of others just like these mass shooters do. so, motive will be critical in looking at it for the fbi and the government, but, you know, either way they got to look in and see what did motivate this person to do this, why are all these gas canisters in the car. but having dealt with many bombs and arsons and killers and gas canister bombs and all types of devices, people think that those things are going to explode in some great fashion like they see in hollywood movies. but it takes some technical acumen to get that to happen. they're not just going to explode like that from a collision. they would have to be especially rigged up. and they did not have that in this vehicle. this vehicle was not a major bomb. it could have been -- most of the damage is on the hood. this is on the fire. i think what we had was a collision and massive fire. >> jim cavanaugh, we're going keep our eyes peeled on that

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outside of a concert venue. i want to bring back msnbc contributor and o retired atf special agent in charge jim cavanaugh. we were speaking a couple of minutes ago. we now have more information, we're n learning the suspect intentionally drove his vehicle through a group of pedestrians, striking a ride share vehicle first, possibly saving many mor lives because of that. what do youli make of what we jt heard? >> well, it is interesting, the officers and the chief doesn't have anyhe really political motivations that are up front. oftentime terrorist groups, they want to claim credit and so they can cause fear.ey so that's the reason they want to announce they did it. we're not seeing anything like that right now. we're not seeing some sign of a large bomb here, yasmin. this is not a high explosive device. it appears maybe from watching the videos and looking at the pictures that the actor started the fire in the vehicle, probably from all these gas cans, and then he rammed the car

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Ana Cabrera Reports

meanwhile, we know that we're getting the first look of the devastation as the sun started to rise this morning in japan. we're seeing homes and buildings that have been flattened, private roads and streets that buckled. some neighbors returning back home to get a first look at what's left. right now the focus for these officials on the ground now is this race against time to try and save anybody who is alive underneath the rubble. >> all right, meagan fitzgerald, thank you. captain john cox, thank you as well sir. appreciate it. we're also following everybody this breaking news in new york, any minute now we're expect a news conference out of rochester. officials there to give an update on the deadly new year's day crash that killed two people. we know the fbi is assisting the rochester police department in the investigation saying gasoline canisters were found in and around one of these vehicles. jim cavanaugh, retired atf special agent in charge here to talk about this. two people lost their lives

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