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Allegations in the indictment. we do know they have spoken several times to walt nauta, and we know that they spoke to carlos de oliveira. i think it's clear that they do have a decent sense of the chronology. you can see they have these phone records that lay out the exact length of time these conversations took place. clearly, there isn't the evidence i think we are likely to see them turn to going forward. >> lisa, back to you, the indictment also refers to the use of shush emojis, walking through tunnels with a flashlight, use of an audio room, and jumping through bushes for the alleged me...

Wanted to erase the record. >> i think as a public has to be shown the reasons why this matters, the idea that the i. t. guy and thevalet are huddling in the audio room stepping away from the office, this remains between the two of us, it is a conspiracy and the most obvious sense, right? the suggestion in the document and the indictment is that trump knew about all of it. he was monitoring all of this all along. this seemed very pointed to me. the inclusion of the conversations with trump. do you read it that way? >> absolutely. the reference to the boss monitoring this entire situation, and ...

Oliveira that de oliveira would have to reach out to another employee who has a supervisor of security for trump's business organization. de oliveira then insisted to trump employee for that the boss wanted the server deleted and asked what are we going to do? so that is clandestine shots in the audio room about the leading security footage, as requested by the boss. and trump was allegedly being apprized of all of this, as it was happening. again, according to the indictment, at 3:55 pm that same day, trump called de oliveira and they spoke for approximately three and a half minutes. about si...

Point because they wanted to destroy it, and you do not want to destroy something unless you saw what you were doing on that tape was wrong. so there are serious charges on their own but they kind of cast an extra cloud over everything else back up all of the other charges and we tell you that he knew that what he had done, and retaining those documents for mar-a-lago was wrong, and he wanted to erase the record. >> i think as a public has to be shown the reasons why this matters, the idea that the i.t. guy and the eyelid are huddling in the audio room stepping away from the office, this remai...