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Seeing the information that the whistle-blower provided. but that certainly appears to be the case, both in a footnote in the summary judgment motion memorandum and in the letter. and lawrence, you've covered this story with such insight for months. this has been going on for months. and now we just have more dither and delay and denial from mr. trump's attorneys, both the taxpayer-financed ones at the justice department and his personal attorneys, trying to delay this indefinitely. and what appears to be a very significant development, the committee focused in on the audit process and now app...

There was not any debate. there was a willingness to make available irs employees, if necessary. there was of the kind of cooperation that comes when you have a clear, unqualified statute that says shall, as you mentioned, that shall meant shall then and it means shall now. it just this particular request that has been made has come so late, i don't expect we'll see these documents during this calendar year. i hope we get them before the end of this congress. >> what happens if when you get the taxes and it shows he didn't have as much income as maybe he led people to believe butch it still pl...

He wasn't that charitable, maybe he played with funny money the way a lot of wealthy people do, maybe there's just not that much in there. how big a blow is that? >> if that's the case, those aren't the only issues we're looking at. the principal issue is to see if the audit process is working appropriately for presidents. the other issues, whether he's ever paid any taxes at all, whether he's been under ought ii -- audit. >> so the irs went tell up whether he's under audit? >> no. >> his lawyer, jay sekulow, he has prove he's under audit. i asked him to show them to me and he's like, nah. may...

Richard neal always predicted this would ending up. brianna. >> elliott, congress of course has oversight, but the white house is saying that there's no legislative purpose for handing over the tax returns. they're saying they don't legally have to. in a court of law, who has a better argument here? >> i think congress does. they were very careful to talk about oversight of this audit process or just use their oversight of the tax system as a legitimate basis, right? but i think the administration has been hiding behind this legislative purpose question. put this in a bigger context. this isn'...

Closing the airspace over reagan national airport, the airport across the potomac river. they'll do so from 6:15 to 7:45 p.m. associated with the flyover for the president's event and then there's the closure and the 9:00 hour. that would be related to the fireworks display that happens every year here in washington d.c., trace. >> trace: rich, stand by. democratic lawmakers are filing a lawsuit in federal court to try to get president trump's financial information. members on the house ways and means committee are looking to enforce subpoenas to obtain the president's tax returns over the las...