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Look, i respect the struggle. i think that's good. i think a big part of journalism is your process. >> right. >> i don't have the same struggle because i am in the testing business. >> you are. >> i don't believe that you just call out, hey, you're lying. i don't see that as very productive. i will tell you why it's a lie by showing you what the truth is on something. and when you do that again and again and again, you wind up defusing the power of the mendacity. that's the only antidote to trump. that's why he doesn't want to come on. >> don't you think some of the lies f we don't put it out...