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They just dropped her insurance. they have given her a lump sum. she has to buy her insurance and sort out these insurance markets. she's in her 80s. >> that's not correct. >> she was told to drop her plan because iwm did. they are changing plans and putting people on the exchange or giving them a lump sum and telling them to buy in the private market. maybe that will be a savior of this. people buying private plans. it's not what the president promised. >> i'm giving you facts and figures, heritage numbers. if you vice president been reading the papers, aus tip, what's happening to ari's moth...

>> i trieded to say, look, what facts would come out that would make you decide that what you were saying wasn't true. you refuseded to acknowledge those. if i showed you that health care costs have risen slower in the last two years than any period -- >> you are living in an alternate universe. >> you don't accept it. >> aus tip, i have a question for you. you were on the inside. you know how the obama administration works. why wouldn't the president have been told ahead of time about the problems before it launched? why would the secretary of hhs say that? >> i don't know. i couldn't the tel...