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Innocent who get swept up, they're disproportionately black. so i think this really speaks to the fact that the politics of our country is evolving. even as the issue changes. >> we have brian stevenson who is an amazing guy, on my show, from the equal justice initiative down in alabama doing work. >> tremendous lawyer. >> and advocate on this. and i think what is interesting is the argument made in the states on fiscal lines. right, that there is some sort of way of using this kind of political judo to take the contours of the austerity boundaries, right? and people say, we got to cut and we ...

Doing work in alabama. >> tremendous lawyer. >> tremendous lawyer. and i think what is interesting is the argument made in the states on fiscal lines. right, that there is some sort of way of using this kind of political judo to take the contours of the austerity boundaries, right? and people say, we got to cut and we don't have money and turn around and say, you know what, this death penalty is an incredibly, incredibly, incredibly waste full undertaking. >> is actually i think really hard to be conservative. and to defend the death penalty. you saw it today. people just get down and say, it ...