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Bernie sanders, folks around him, taken their shots at him, saying he's not an authentic progressive. where all the democratic energy is now. it's an effort to define him. >> you cover politics a lot more. i feel some of these points is criticism of these individual and their candidates. president trump has taken those off the table. agewise, he's up there. inexperiencewise. he didn't have any experience. his viewpoints on some of these issues constantly fluctuating. he's broken the norms i guess of some of these political rules. >> i think that's why we're seeing such a big potential field, p...

On those progressive issues where he really has people engaged and feeling inspired by what he represents? >> well, nobody doubts that bernie sanders is an authentic progressive. he's been giving the same speech for the last 50 years. bit of hyperbole there. but hillary clinton, i agree with governor dean, she does have to be herself. she's actually a very witty, humorous person. if you see her in person and spend any time with her, she really does have a good sense of humor and is very sharp and quick. so she's got to exploit those talents that she has, those qualities, but also, she's going ...