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Alive but support for those auto bailouts is not, a reason why my guest says the white house is going down the wrong road on this issue. what do you mean elizabeth? >>guest: well, as joe biden said, osama bin laden is dead and g.m. is alive but g.m. is alive thanks to billions of taxpayer expense. the american people do not want this. this is typical washington, dc, ramrodding and they put through spending the american people did not want. they did not want it four years ago and they don't want it now and it is unlikely they will want the policy in november. >>neil: but if they say g.m. is vib...

Amount of population. >> a couple of ironies here it came yesterday from the car show. new york auto show, looking at these great cars being reduced and general motors has some terrific cars. when mitt romney -- i almost called him george romney. when he wrote let detroit go bankrupt, the opening paragraph if the bailout happens, the auto industry in america as we know it, we can kiss it good-bye. he talked about the companies have a deficit in technology and interior product. i didn't see it at the auto show. i see a company in general motors because thaw is thriving only because of that bail...

Different place. and the vice president was in ohio yesterday where one in eight workers is dependent directly or indirectly on the auto industry. so i think a lot of people are going to be scratching their heads if mitt romney's the nominee and thinking, well, wait, he was calling for the industry to fail. >> well, i think, though, that the broader issue here is what is the proper role of government, and that's really the crux of the debate whether you're talking about the auto bailouts or the bank bailouts or government intervention in any part of the private sector. so this is something tha...

Wanted it, he's talking about $8, $9 and $10 gasoline, he said he preferred it gradually. well, they are up. they have doubled since he has been president. >> from day 1 from this administration, they have set about to carry out social engineering in every aspect of the economy -- health care, financial sector, industrial base, through the auto bailouts and energy. and it first started with cap and trade and tried to get the scheme through when it couldn't get past the senate and they started to do epa regulations and so on. one big reason we have $4 a gallon gas is as a result of this adminis...

Crockett. in wisconsin he says i love cheese. it might work for me. martha: we'll see if he puts a cheesehead on. >> i have worn one. the thing for romney is to own who is. i'm the ceo, this is what i did with companies and the country. if i were mitt romney i would find a fair amount of time talking about the bailouts. talking about the fact he opposed the auto bailouts. he has been beat up by the without house, he was beat up by the left. that was a big issue in michigan. now it's time for him to go to the southern states with conservative voters and say when i was in michigan i didn't pande...