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Counting, process of the voting. and then there are laws being written to criminalize and be able to allow judges in certain jurisdictions to overthrow votes. and there are state legislators to throw out entire campaigns and election results and install who they want in place. that's -- i mean as bad as voter restrictions are that fundamentally changes the nature of this country from a democracy to an auto cassie and that is the biggest fear and fight. we spend too much time talking about not being able to give people water in line which is obviously bad and morally corrupt but we are now shou...

Really honestly with a lot of trends in the world from which, a, we are not immune and to which, b, there is no easy answer. i feel like you are in a pretty dark place in terms of where the world is going and where we are. >> well, put it this way, rachel. when i peeled myself up off the ground after the 2016 election i kind of went abroad looking for answers. sometimes you can see more clearly what's happening here abroad. the starting point for me was i was talking to a hungarian opposition figure and i asked him how has your country gone from being a democracy to a single party auto cassie ...