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Does, the better. he's still doing stuff. that's the problem. if he was a bumbling consultant hired because he's your uncle's best friend, that would be fine. but he's in charge of stuff. i should be happy that the country is on auto pilot but maybe it's not on auto pilot. maybe there's somebody in the cockpit and driving this plane into the ground. maybe they actually know what they're doing. >> dagen: it's somebody in the gally nipping at the sauce and there's nobody in the cockpit. why would he go at this point? he will be greeted by the people that are trying to enforce the laws of the cou...

Sitting in this vehicle as you do while sitting in a roller coaster. >> that description certainly -- sorry, jose? >> i was just going to say, that's a fascinating thought. a lot of times, we don't realize that many times when we're in a commercial airplane, the pilots aren't flying it, that it's on auto pilot. they even land sometimes, right, on auto pilot. this is different. but at the same time, it's really been kind of worked out. >> that's true. you know, it's been tried and tested. and that's the nice thing about automation, it tends to do the same thing every time, it's very predictable...

Years. in it they write progressives know that entitlements once created are almost impossible to repeal. the real sticker shock will come later after the programs are on auto pilot. i'm sure you probably saw cedric richmond over here on this network vowed that they will come -- i'm quoting him directly -- back in 2025 or 26 or any other year to fight for their renewal, art. >> of course they will. that's what they want. they want them to be permanent programs forever. it will cost enormously, sandra. you'll get all of these people that will get subsidies, get payments, transfer payments that ...

>> according to the u.s. treasury, senator, the debt limit does not authorize new spending commitments. even if the democrats are unable to pass infrastructure, unable to pass social infrastructure, if both those bills die, correct me if i'm wrong here, you would still have to raise the debt limit. >> you would not have to raise it as soon and you would not have to raise it as much. >> so our friend tony there over at cbs, he wasn't wrong. what toomey is saying is not right. >> no, it's not right. it's not. yes, the government is on auto pilot in some respects, there's lots of spending. but tr...

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