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And we are back with zanny minton beddoes, steve ratner, chrystia freeland and ken rogoff talking everything economic. steve you wanted to pick up on something ken talked about which is technology has been disempowering workers and favoring companies, but you wanted to add to that globalization. >> look at it through a slightly different lens. we can call it technological change but what i saw when i got into the auto work, i was not a manufacturing guy, is essentially the fact that companies can now source their labor anywhere in the world they want to, many countries, mexico, southeast asia,...

And we are back with zanny minton beddoes, steve ratner, chrystia freeland and ken rogoff talking everything economic. steve you wanted to pick up on something ken talked about which is technology has been disempowering workers and favoring companies, but you wanted to add to that globalization. >> look at it through a slightly different lens. we can call it technological change, but what i saw when i got into the auto work, and i was not a manufacturing guy, is essentially the fact that companies can now source their labor anywhere in the world they want to. many countries, mexico, southeast ...

>> i'm not sure they're going to appeal that way. >> governor, you had said before you weren't going to bring up this legislation because it was too divisive for the state. but you decided to bring it up anyway. what changed your mind? >> well, what happened, going back to 2009 when i started a campaign, i looked at it and said over 80% of the work force in michigan isn't unionized. so it's not a relevant issue to most michiganders and as a practical matter, we had much more pressing things to take care of. we've done tax reform. we've balanced our budget. we're paying down debt. education ref...