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If they have a job, they're fortunate to have one and i think that's why the confidence is up despite the other headwinds you've mention $. >> confidence is up and consumer spending is up and i'm curious what role an increase in manufacturing is playing in that because we have seen that sector increase. >> well, you know, it's interesting, consumer spending is up, but not in every area, certainly not lately, you know, the bigger ticket items, the big durable things, the refrigerators and the, you know, air conditioning and things like that, those were off a little bit. so, you know, your bigge...

Sometimes at some presidential prevarication. >> what this points down to the president is trying to use the damage he says will take place under the sequester, automatic cuts, essentially to extract a tax increase from republicans. they don't want to give him more revenue, two months ago we passed the biggest tax increase in 20 years. so they don't want to do that. that's why the president who i think has flexibility under this law, to actually ease the harm that is done under the cuts, doesn't want to do that. he wants to lay out a parade of horribles and put pressure on the republicans. jon...

>> no, no, no, no, no. i'm not saying that. >> we have a poll, congressman, that shows when a lot of americans were asked about the subject about getting serious about this, how will the country get the budget deficit under control. nearly 6 out of 10 said only with automatic cuts. 29% said lawmakers can do it. 14% weren't sure. >> nobody said you shouldn't have revenue and tax cuts, both of them. you shouldn't have just tax cuts. you should have something to get people back to work. >> we gave you our pound of flesh. we swallowed it. we didn't like it but we did. we feel they were snookered. ...

Into law because congress has adjourned until monday. >> gretchen: thanks very much. we asked you this question, i think this is very significant. what do you think about whether or not congress could trial do these cuts on their own? do they need something like southwest tore get the ball rolling? you say yep. that the only way you'll get cuts on capitol hill is with automatic cuts. 57% of you said that appears to be the case. lawmakers can do it on their own, 29%. unsure, 14%. >> steve: keep in mind, we've been reminding you that we're talking about cuts -- not really cuts per se, but rather...

The cabinet secretaries have authority to move money around. on furloughs, the government required to give most workers a 30-day notice if they're furloughed. if the sequester goes into effect march 1, no furloughs until april 1. >> a lot of people wonder, when you talk about automatic cuts, are we talking about cuts to the budget or talking about smaller increases in budget numbers? i think that matters to folks at home. also, what will it take to get a bipartisan resolution before march 1? >> that's a a great question. the answer is it's the latter. it's a cut in the increase of spending for...