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Scrap medicare, social security and medicaid. >> republican leaders were puzzled that the president didn't address what every member of congress knows to be true. >> if we don't work together to strengthen our entitlement programs they will go interrupt. >> automatic cuts will be forced on seniors who are already receiving benefits. rendering worthless the promises they built the retirement around. >> ironically, the president's course essentially to ignore the problem, is the course that will semily endanger the programs -- essentially danger the programs rather than protect them. >> in long-...

The other side. how do you manipulate that balance between republicans who are going to be concerned about spending and democrats or the country that wants investments in the future. that's going to be -- >> he's going to need more tom qoms, jonathan, right? among house republicans. >> not a lot of tom coles in the house. not a lot in the house right now. look, i think this gets back to what i was saying earlier about how, yes, he's got a bit more running room than he had january of '09 but not that much more. there are two issues here, chuck, the fiscal and financial issues, the debt ceiling,...

There is a political arm wrestling part of this and what will unfold over the next 24 hours in how they can reach a deal. sources in both parties are telling me that part of thesticking point right now is where to unleash that threshold. speaker boehner is also saying the sequester, that big ugly word for automatic cuts, that he wants to make sure that at least some of that stays in, meaning there would be spending cuts and that would certainly change the game going forward. because those big spending cuts could lead to jobs and issues of the unforeseen consequences of what happened here. so w...

Happening. that's why speaker boehner has so much time. >> is there talk on the hill of people saying look, if we went over the cliff, we would have a deal in two weeks. you took them over the cliff and made them face this after january 3rd, they could come to a deal. >> there are folks that sago over the cliff. there are folks that say if you go over the cliff, the sequestration would harm so many. it's the conscience of the congress for a reason. it's something the members don't want to see happen. >> there are cuts to social programs, automatic cuts. >> repeal of the bush tax cuts. it's not...

Completely on their own. meanwhile, president obama is taking the day off, hitting the links today. >> the words government shutdown have become more and more common. a bipartisan group has come up with a plan. joining us, republican senator mike lee who cosponsored the bill. thank you so much for joining us today. >> thank you. good to be with you. >> it is called ending the government shutdown, something along those lines. tell us how it is going to work to make sure that key programs stay funded but still some incentive for reaching a come pronice or reaching a budget? >> basically how it w...