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The average american doesn't think, when they think about immigrants creating crimes, they're not entirely sure it was the first crime, which is articulated in 1325, that's cross been unlawfully. you think that should be eliminated, it should not be a crime to cross into the country unlawfully? >> that's right. before this law was passed in the 1920s, but from the 1920s until about 2004, it was actually rarely enforced as a crime. it was enforced -- it was still illegal. there were still consequences to crossing the border, but those consequences were civil consequences, not a criminal misdeme...

This administration, that was the crime in many cases. the average american doesn't think, when they think about immigrants creating crimes, they're not entirely sure it was the first crime, which is articulated in 1325, that's cross been unlawfully. you think that should be eliminated, it should not be a crime to cross into the country unlawfully? >> that's right. before this law was passed in the 1920s, but from the 1920s until about 2004, it was actually rarely enforced as a crime. it was enforced -- it was still illegal. there were still consequences to crossing the border, but those conse...