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Tax time. is this what you expected as you voted for tax reform? >> let's be very clear because there's exploitation of ignorance here by folks on the other side. tax refunds does not equate to tax liabilities. four pin occhios say that's the case. we wanted them to get it up front and they're investing and putting it in savings going forward. i empathize with people who were relying on the refunds coming in, but bottom line, cash position, they're in a better position, middle class america, i'll argue that every day. >> the irs says that tax refunds on average are down 10%. >> the actual tax ...

The most important aspect to keep in mind is that it alleges senior law enforcement officials are leaking information about a current investigation. that should concern republicans, democrats, average americans. that cooperation between these alleged law-enforcement officials and buzz feed goes back for months. the question is criminal behavior to leak that information. someone is willing to subject themselves to a criminal prosecution and they're willing to leak information to do it. what else would they be willing to do? >> they do everything. at the same time, we don't know what federal aut...

Distraction, they've got gm's closing plant, christmas is around the corner, those are the things that people care about and i'm hoping that congress at some point gets to those things. these are distractions. arthel: you make a point, i want to point out when you were speaking, jay, myself included i think we sort of chuckled the distractions being the norm in washington but to your point, you know, middle america, average americans regular-hard working folks they don't want distractions, they just want the truth. jason. >> no, i think that's true and one thing i will -- i do want to say that...

It is unknown how this president would behave. >> absolutely. presidents of war or presidents in peace, they need to heal, they need to unit and they need to inspire. the last couple of days, how much will donald trump be able to do that? this is a real problem because half of the president's job is to be not only a tough political leader, but also a head of state that unites this country all the way back to george washington. every other president has done that. when is donald trump going to? >> about that termination natio when i look it up in the dictionary, it says pay tretrio devoting to ...

Trade deal or hitting the chinese, he's on line with trump. so trump has some allies now. what's interesting is that if you put this in the context of the election, there are a few big things to focus on. one is the fact we have a strong economy right now and yet a lot of average americans aren't feeling it. and trump's approval is low in the context of that environment. so you would expect exactly what you are guests have been saying, that we're going to see a bigger swing against the incumbent president's party in the midterms. a lot of enthusiasm in that regard, but for both. we're seeing t...