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Read the transcripts, we have heard in the news reporting, including from you, ari, exactly what they tell us. "the new york times" reporting the president signed off on john dowd being the lawyer for the indicted guiliani associate. is that normal? >> that's interesting. >> that's weird. >> that's weird. first of all, unless you have a direct conflict, in which case you might get a waiver of the conflict, john dowd was no longer representing the president here. >> right. >> so this was totally political. you've got to wonder what other conversations were had. >> very striking. we'll dig mor...

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