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Political leader. let me give you one final tactical view on this, don. that is if the department of justice, mayor garland, the attorney general, pursues this now, what's donald trump going to say? this is a political game, pursued by my opponents, the deep state, including adam kinsinger and liz cheney, to go after me. >> was going to say that, regardless he's going to set nicholas, phil. >> i take your point. >> he's going to say that, regardless of the indictment. >> don't give him ammo, though. makes it look like politicians are telling them what to do. >> look, if you don't indict him --...

Elections to gerrymandered republican legislatures, cutting everybody else, including state constitutions, out of the process. this is much, much more serious than it was even on january 6th both of the issues are very serious and i don't think one will address the other, but i do believe that an indictment of donald trump is the call to detection of democracy, and i think educating the public to the possibility of that is important for the justice department to be able to execute that, because it's unthinkable to do that up until what happened on january 6th. >> go ahead, ron. i know you want...

Particularly persuaders from joe biden, not donald trump. donald trump lost again, even with the conservative supreme court in trying to push executive privilege claims, and in the nixon case, the court held unanimously, that when it comes to grand jury investigations, executive privilege has to fall in favor of getting to the truth. >> ron, patrick filmon, subpoenaed this week. is this all about keeping the inner -most circles from diverging details? what kind of things could they tell? >> we got an idea from the january 6th testimony. even what we saw, and the limits that pallone put on, cle...

Bing. >> bing, bong, bing, bing, bong. >> all right. welcome back to "morning joe" live in washington. eugene robinson is still with us. mike allen as well and the host of msnbc's "hardball," chris matthews joins the table. chris -- >> thank you. >> -- good to have you onboard this morning. >> ron fournier, chris and i were talking about something. i ron, i want you to pass that by chris what you said about trump and hillary actually the two stories playing off each other. >> we have hillary clinton playing into the people's disgust with politics, not transparent, not accountable, not honest, ...

Tgif. >> you know what that stands for. >> let me guess. go to hell, tom shillue. >> no, thank god it's friday. what is wrong with you? >> my bad. >> and gths, by the way. >> let's welcome our guests. she only eats two meals a day. a bottle of red and a bottle of white. joanne nosuchunsky. i hope he titles his auto-biography, i ron. her hair is the star of rec key par tin's song "she bangs." the co-host of the political punk pod cast. he is smart as an eagle and as strong as the ox he eats for wreck fast. for breakfast. let's start the show. vegans got beef. animal rights activists stormed a c...