Europeans understand that and they're working to stop their purchases of oil one way or the other, so that will be a big issue that the allies will have to discuss. >> clint, talk to me about the evolving nature of this war, because i mean, i'm just thinking. i don't think we have seen in our lifetime this type of activity, this type of war going on anywhere in our world. >> that's right. it's very much the opposite of what we might have seen with the u.s. military, which is very quick, uses decisive maneuver, combined arms. that's not what's going to happen in eastern ukraine. what you see in...