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The feelings i had yesterday. this guy can't be a hero in my mind especially with more information coming out. the next time a terrorist attack happens on our soil, are we going to say that's because we jeopardized this program that was in place that had thwarted, as he testified yesterday, dozens of terrorist attacks? >>steve: love him or hate him, he has forced this debate in the country about our national surveillance. >>gretchen: and security. >>steve: absolutely. no doubt the government is trying to do everything they can to keep us secure, but are they actually exceeding the law. who gav...

Person. so can tkpwao*l -- google be trusted? joining us to weigh in fox news senior judicial analyst judge andrew napolitano. this is a complicated topic. help us break this down. google has no choice? >> correct. when the government comes calling with a warrant signed by a junell of the fisa -- signed by a judge of the fisa court saying you will turn over this information to the person who shows up with a warrant, a, google has no choice but to comply. it costs google a lot of money to comply. you're talking about thousands of person hours of work intended to gather the information the gover...

Bruce springsteen's thunder road. those are your headlines. >>steve: edward snowden is on the run supposedly somewhere in hong kong. yesterday he did an interview with the south china morning post. >>brian: all he had to do was ask. >>steve: he wants to get the word out to the people in hong kong and china, i want to stay here because i want you to protect me as i fight the united states because, he says, i'm here not to hide from justice. i'm here to reveal criminality. so that suggests, although we don't know what future scoops he's going to give to glenn greenwald and company, but apparentl...

Joining us is general ray ordierno, chief of staff. i had it wrong on the tease. first off, the nsa has a bit of -- has it been of benefit to you in the field? >> of course. when i was in iraq and in afghanistan, the work that they do is immeasureable in getting us intelligence in helping us do the things we need to do to get after our enemies. >> brian: i was amazed to find out that five years ago, we couldn't dream about having the technical ability we have today in terms of storage and access. did you see it grow when you were in the field? >> oh, yeah, sure. this capacity has continued to ...

Collection, include what nsa does helps us get after terror cells, which helps us to get after the internal workings of some of these cells that are in afghanistan, in iraq that attacked our soldiers with bomb making material and other things like that. so it's key as we go forward. >> brian: private contractors play a huge role in many different facets of the military, especially the army. we have a private contractor situation where this 29-year-old is not with the government. he ends up in hong kong, talking to the chinese. how do you feel about that? >> i mean, first off, it's concerning t...