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So what is the most effective way to do that? and to give people insurance is a much more cost effective way than to keep people paying to go to the emergency room without insurance. it is helpful to remind people to pay for entitlements to medicare and this is a life and death issue, and we have to ask the question how many more people will die, 4 million? 5 million? if we increase the age to 67 or cut the funding? people will die in this country without this access to medicare. so it is helpful to remind viewers that this is a serious issue that even the politicians in both parties don't con...

It is framed as we must do something, because of doom, and you know the doom coming before us. i think that this is a question of political will and choices, and it is not something objectively that we will run out of money. if we wanted to find the money to keep them solvent, we would do it. if we wanted to go the war tomorrow, we would. if we wanted to make sure that the elderly were not the most vulnerable like they were in the first two centuries, we would. >> and mark, looking at the recent deficit reduction and cuts, most of them have come from programs and only 28% has been about revenu...

Where we are going to go in the future and after that fight over the fiscal cliff, one of the issues of po s of politics is t people are saying, we taxed the rich and done there. so he has to keep pushing on the bloated military and the welfare, and part of the argument, we gave you that, we gave you tax breaks for the rich, and taxing the rich now sh, and so now it is all about entitlements and he has to shift the debate thein the coming yea or he is going to be in trouble around this question, i think. >> how much of the social security discussion about it being in financial trouble is manuf...

Question in terms of the difference of governors and the leeway we give them and presidents. one of the things that go back to an erl ler poiarlier point oe bully pulpit, and we saw it on the issue of marriage equality by the president and it shifted attitudes. we are at a similar moment where unlike any governor single-handedly, the president can use the power of persuasion to lead us in a conversation about gun control and the second amendment and not shift everybody, but shift to the center and he can do this effectively in this moment, and this is a chance that no other president in modern...

Politics is a different question. even questions around obama, and a man of color and a literal man, and he has done more deportations in one term than george w. bush did in two. and i think that the reaction will change with reform, but when it comes to the pollices the of race and diversity, it is about pressuring people and the political and the george w. bush administration taught us serious lessons around diverse bodies and progressive politics, and that is what we are trying to figure out now. >> absolutely. >> when we come back, we want to do a lightning round about the bully pulpit, an...