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We just don't know. i don't think this particular thing was a big deal. az listen, he didn't flat out say that the president actually said this to comey. he simply seemed to assume what the question or asked about that. . i don't think it's a big deal. i think the much bigger deal is giuliani's statements about what he would require before sending the president in for an interview with mueller. >> before we even get to that it, i wanted to ask about the conversation i was having with dana bash. she had giuliani on yesterday talking about the truth, talking about michael cohen and how, hey, he ...

Thing he did just years ago, that that is black mail. really? >> well, remember the days we had $9 trillion in debt and he said it was unprincipled now, he's, we're nearly double that z listen, sean, what we're doing is getting fundamentally immoral. our national debt has grown under 60%, it's larger than the size of our economy. if we don't pull back, our kids, our grandkids are going to spend their working lives not meeting challenges of the future or priorities just paying off our debts. and, no generation in american history has done that. our parents didn't do that to us, sean. their pare...