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That in and of itself will be tricky, but it's the only option. ginning us now is the host of ral ton reports. as well as a former atv in charge. >> i actually want to start with you, john. how likely is it to happen? >> well, joy, i think your use of the word theoretically is unfortunately to apt. this is very, very tricky. mike ford is a blm veteran and other blm veterans worry about how this was handled up front by the blm and now you have the militia types, the oath keepers and some are still hanging around up there. even if you were to get the local sheriff to try to go in there, that cli...

There, that clive but b dihas been em bolened by all the right people thinking this is something it's not. he's phrasing on federal lands. he's lost in court, the law is clear. they don't care about that. and just one more thing, joy. i just came from an event where harry reid referred to those folks up there as domestic terrorists. that's going to tamp it all down. >> exactly. the thing that is really scary is these illusions to waco and rudy ridge. incidents, violent crashes. i don't know, is this a violent fantasy on the right for this to happen? or do they consider it a warning? >> the mil...