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Will not totter. their idols cannot speak. do not fear them, they can do no harm nor can they do any good. keep in good, the bible preaches against homosexuality, that is true. but it also may preach against christmas trees. this actually puts phil robertson in a tough spot. >> phil takes great pride in trimming the christmas tree. which always creates quite the mess. >> the aw, shucks defense is bogus, but sadly, at least for now, it's working. take your cell phones out. tonight's question. does being a christian excuse bigotry. a. for yes, b. for no to 67622 or go to our blog at ed.msnbc.com...

Ending, does it? tonight's question. did conservatives get exactly what they wanted with detroit's bankruptcy? text a. for yes, b. for no to 67622. go to our blog at ed.msnbc.com. i understand cuts. and i understand business. this isn't a business. this is a city. these are people. these are families that grew up in communities. and they have been undercut by radical conservative policies, and they have been denied their fair share of state funds. and now who is going to pay the price? well, it's not going to be the companies. it's going to be the workers. there is a real element of unfairness...

Do republicans know what default would really mean for america? text a. for yes, b. for no. 67622. you can always go to our blog at ed.msnbc.com. results later on in the show. for more, let's turn to california congressman, john garamendi. congressman, good to have you with us tonight. >> always a pleasure, ed. >> a war of words here. i think we're going default. i haven't seen anything in the last 24 hours that would change that at all. how does this end? >> well, presently, it doesn't end in a very pretty picture for america. all of the problems that you have talked about and a whole lot mor...