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Trump's instinct. why did that national security team i was asking juan zarate about. there are things we can do. sign a condolence book, convene a national security council meeting. he has a goal of defeating terrorism. this isn't off brand for donald trump. why can't he ever stop himself from being self-destructive and destructive to the country? >> it's who he is. his first instinct when any major political event happens is to find an enemy to lash out at somebody, to create a versus b scenario where he's the stronger figure defining himself against a weaker foil. that's just his method. i ...

Judiciary committee. joining me is the writer of that piece for "new york magazine." gabriel sherman, good to have you with us. a lot of people would think the clinton campaign would have pretty much had it gamed out, thinking, okay, a scenario, b scenario, biden scenario, just typical of what a campaign would do. >> i think it's both. i mean, of course, you're running a presidential campaign. you're going to plan for potential adversaries, but i think the fact that they have commissioned operatives to start the work, they have been at it for weeks now, shows the seriousness in which hillary i...