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Person and she sees the nobility of being a congress person, she sees it as a vocation, and i think for her, she really hasn't had the opportunity to line up her succession, the democrats were really fighting by the seat of their pants for a long time and didn't expect the margins to be this slim and she hasn't been able to really line up what could be next. now it is really interesting to me, because a lot of people close to members who actually did not want her to run for the speakership, and they said we might need her right now, because the margins are so slim, we don't know how to deal wi...

That's a dynamic that i don't really see going away as long as we continue to nominate people on the right and on the left in some cases, who are these larger than life personalities. >> that's so interesting. i think at a time when things are difficult, when people do feel stressed and a burden, when they're shopping for groceries or at the gas station, they don't care about a celebrity candidate. celebrities can't do anything for them. let me show you someone putting some of this into context in terms of what happened. this is a newly elected democrat who flipped in ohio congressional seat. ...

But then what does that mean when and if republicans win the majority? she has leverage. very well aware the narrower the republican majority is the more leverage she has and she believes she controls a fair amount of votes in that conference. has friends. >> donald trump. >> particularly donald trump. part of a maga squad in the house republican conference and very, very popular with the republican base. >> you showed that impacage fro the event. practice and plan for the optics. not an accident to put her there. >> mccarthy invited her to a border trip. he is trying to bring the members into...

He's coming after you next. and then it was, who was the next boogieman? they would go from one, it's jesse jackson. jesse jackson wants to blah, blah, blah. recent years, it is nancy pelosi, san francisco liberal. she's a radical. then it was, aoc, a back bencher. it's aoc, she's running the government. then it's kamala harris. oh, it's kamala harris, she's coming after you. it's bernie sanders, he's a lib. they now are willing to throw away the greatest experiment in the history of humankind. >> yes, they are. >> over a moderate, over a moderate from delaware, whose biggest knock against him...

Legislation. they've learned now, rebrand, get what you can get with 50 votes plus the vice president's tiebreaker and move on. it's not what the base wants, but it's better for democrats and for the administration than what they were dealing with last year, which was everybody looking and saying, this is a stallout, what are you doing? >> i want to hear what bernie sanders says and i want to hear what you say too. he has been critical of this. he's given several speeches very critical of this bill. taking out the carried interest piece, which you all are going to argue -- some people are goin...