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Pompeo's north korean trip has been mixed. >> i think it speaks to the fact that president trump has a lot of faith in him. from my standpoint it's a plus. >> once you are nominated for a position, you don't go and begin to act as if you are in that position before you are confirmed. >> so was he sent there as the cia director or as the nominee for the secretary of state? >> i would rather have preparation than is so often the case in the trump administration where everybody flies by the seat of their fans. >> on russia, north korea, syria, it's sometimes not clear what the policy is, it's som...

Michael's other point, there's a pattern of back channelling between the house intelligence committee, the rx on it, and this white house that is undeniab undeniable. this unfortunately has been a partisan exercise from the get-go. representative rooney said we lost all our credibility. we might as well shut it down. he's probably right on that front. where he is wrong is saying that there's no evidence that putin tried to intercede on president trump's behalf. yes, there was a larger effort to create chaos and try to irritate identity politics. but it came with a specific aim towards the end ...

>> with this president we don't really know. and typically you have major speeches and often they have short shelf lives and i think with this president in particular because he can be obviously very presidential when he is scripted, sort of teleprompter trump, but his asides will matter. does he kind of go off script here, does he go off script in meetings that he has with leaders. he's got a bevy of meetings today with foreign leaders and throughout this week. does he go off script on twitter. that's what we have seen from this president, calling the leader of north korea rocket man over thi...

Wanted to communicate with such urgency in such secrecy with the kremlin. >> we don't know the answer to that. i'm sure there are multiple committees who will want to. to your point on back channelling. at the cia if i arrange comes with russia outside of official channels and set up a a secret meeting, i would be tried tr espionage. would you agree? >> absolutely. absolutely. there's not a question. in the world of espionage, communications are critical, very sensitive. topic. how communications are conducted, who controls them. >> does it matter he would have been a private citizen? granted ...

Know, we think. i think that they're letting the american public down by not delving deeper into what is going on withared kushner and this back channelling, about the lies and his failure to disclose he had had these meetings, the same thing with sessions, failure to disclose about the meetings. what more do we need? >> well, pulling no punches as usual, congresswoman maxine waters. thank you for being here. >> thank you, joy, so much. >> and check her out online @maxinewaters. >> and coming up the history of using diplomatic back channels. ♪ to move... with you... through you... ♪