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Process and dialogue so deeply -- >> let me just stop you right there. because that seems to be part of the problem about this sort of -- the category we're creating here. so at one end of the spectrum you have what appears to be criminal intrusion into an e-mail server. right? and the other is, there's fake twitter accounts. so there's a big spectrum in terms of how objectionable and influential those things are and it seems like they get rolled up into the same category. >> but i think, chris, we need to see this as a singular effort on the part of putin to influence america, to influence ou...

The administration trying to increase sanctions and back channelling by the incoming administration saying don't worry about it, moving in different direction, if that's true and not a coincidence, that's disturbing. because again vladimir putin has had a very good 2016. if he gets secretary of state he knows and removal of sanctions for invading crimea as part of reset with russia on top of all of allegations of trying to influence the election in donald trump's direction, that's disturbing from any perspective. >> looking at me? honestly. >> really? >> what does russia have to respect in the...

>> only one person matters here and that is president-elect trump and that's all that matters. my likely role will be to confirm or lead the confirmation of whoever it is he nominates. he feels very comfortable in talking with him and they had a private conversation where the bygones were set aside. again, to use an old term, he is the decider here. it sounds like they had a good meeting. >> the past disputes will be resolved in an hour. >> yeah. there is all kinds of back channelling that takes place. in a transition like this, so many people are involved in so many characters. many of them i...

Week. will the president get behind one of these measures and will his support help or hurt? >> let's bring in kevin -- thank you kelly o'donnell. jonathan allen, national political reporter for nbc news digital. jonathan, we'll start with you on this. the reporting coming out of the quts new york tiles times, believed to be largely led or influenced by stephen miller and also with influence from his chief of staff, former head of dhs general kelly as well. how firm is the president in his stance right now from what you're hearing? >> what we heard from -- from officials on capitol hill and fr...

Outraged? yes. for the reason that this should be something from the get-go that's bigger than partisanship, but in the house committee it's never been. they've been back channelling to the white house. they've been digging up dirt on democrats. and they haven't found a way to come together. i don't mind that they say there's no collusion as much as to say that there's no evidence that trump wanted to back -- that putin wanted to back trump in the election. that's an insult to the intelligence community match that belies all the facts that come to bare. that shows there's a willful blindness i...