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Recurrent issue during the investigation whether there were meetings designed to set up secret back channels. there were the allegations pertaining to jared kushner and the russian ambassador, an effort to establish a back channel operating through russian diplomatic facilities. that allegation if true would be very disturbing considering that using russian diplomatic facilities for a back channel would only be designed to hide those communications, not from the russian government, but from our own government. so this is an issue i think that is certainly pertinent to our investigation and it ...

Damaging relationships with our about to be -- he was about to be the president of the united states, jared was about to be allies. >> eugene robinson also joins us. eugene, this is what i call the jared, whatever he's called. mike flynn was about to be bob runson president telling national security. here are all the efforts at having back channels. people who is to blame. they want the economic crisis we have the one you just back. discussed, elise, that on i guess i know the answer to my question before it even tumbled december 1st, jared kushner, out of my mouth. people tried to tell the pr...

Within this west wing or within the president's orbit who will say something and then it ends up not being borne out in exact truth. >> this isn't the first time we've heard about this administration trying to set up a possible back channel before taking office. erik prince and jared kushner as well. multiple reports jared kushner's tried to do this. what is it about back channels? what makes this particularly unusual? >> what makes this unusual is the question, why did they need a back channel? i think the reason is it goes back to when flynn was communicating with the russian ambassador kisl...

Foreign wheelers and dealers who seem to combine business and politics. and that's what we have in this case. and it's curious, because we know that in other situations involving other countries, jared kushner, who is the president's chief foreign policy adviser at this point, has established strange back channels, once with the russian ambassador. in this case, you know, meetings and ties to the uae. it's very curious. and i'm certainly not surprised that mueller is looking into it. >> tying business and politics, not something you often hear in the united states. erik prince is saying he's j...

Manager. he was the chief. >> defacto. >> defacto essentially for the final months of the campaign. so what steve bannon can tell us about is any outreach during the campaign from the time he was there, but also during the transition. we know from the testimony of eric prince to the house intelligence committee last year, the eric prince, black water founder, had a private meeting with steve bannon who happens to be brother of betsy devos, education secretary, took the trip off the coast of east africa where he met with a close confident of vladimir putin during the transition period. so the q...