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And it's disruptive and unpredictable and better be careful what i do. at the same time i think he is saying wow, we have china involved now and you united states said they don't want regime change. that's a good thing for china. i think he is getting hemmed in. i don't think that we have been successful trying the overt diplomatic approach without walking softly and carrying a big stick. >> how different is this method of back channels that the u.s. can and is exercising that rex tillerson, the secretary of state is explaining. how different is that than what you have seen exercised in previo...

. more mixed signals about north korea. rex tillerson saying they are in contact through back channels. today the president said i told tillerson he was wasting energy. joining me now, blaine harden, author of king of spice, dark reign of american spy master in korea. hello to you. are you saying he's like more of a challenge for this u.s.

>> the russian ambassador to washington was asked about a 2016 meeting with mike flynn and the president's son-in-law. >> did you discuss opening secret channels at the kremlin with jared kushner? >> many things we do not discus discuss. >> kushner told congress there were no secret back channels. >> bret: thank you. interior secretary ryan zinke under investigation by the department's inspector general after reports he tried to pressure alaska's republican senators to vote for a bill to repeal and replace obamacare. much of the focus on the no vote of republican senator lisa murkowski. immigr...

>> the russian ambassador to washington was asked about a 2016 meeting with mike flynn and the president's son-in-law. >> did you discuss opening secret channels at the kremlin with jared kushner? >> many things we do not discus discuss. >> kushner told congress there were no secret back channels. >> bret: thank you. interior secretary ryan zinke under investigation by the department's inspector general after reports he tried to pressure alaska's republican senators to vote for a bill to repeal and replace obamacare. much of the focus on the no vote of republican senator lisa murkowski. immigr...

Bannon used to host, he was a guest of his. and he did import many breitbart.com editors, et cetera, sebastian gorka and steve bannon into the white house. and i wonder if you could talk about the way that eco-system worked back and forth. steve bannon is the guy behind clinton cash which wound up resulted in a real fbi investigation of hillary clinton. so how the right found an effective way toin fuse it envelope into the normal body of politics. >> i hope that folks will resist the normalize is of platforms like breitbart but it gets complicated in which you see the way they are infused into...