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Is that how this was being used? >> well, i would not define this as a back channel. a back channel is something that governments do for below the radar conversation so that you can get some things accomplished that might be more difficult to accomplish should the channel be exposed, be made public. anderson, i flew into islamabad to confer with the president. we went in secretly. we left secretly. president bush wanted us to share a certain message. this is what governments do. that's fine. you have good people in the administration, secretary kelly, secretary mattis, h.r. mcmaster, defending...

>> on the topic of back channels. they say back channels are an appropriate part of diplomacy and they've happened throughout many presidencies. on the most basic level, how important are they? what can back channels do that regular channels simply can't, lindsay? >> back channels are an appropriate part of diplomacy, but generally handled by intelligence agencies and intelligence operatives, so it is concerning to hear of jared kushner kind of unilaterally creating his own back channel line of communication. at its core back channel communication is an espionage term. what we're trying to rec...

Their stance is on it until we hear from the president and no telling when that is. how does the president turn from this investigation? show some momentum, perhaps based on legislation. >> well, two things. one is yeah they come with a story. once trump tweets on at any time media won't have something different to say an hour or two later. >> his retweet of a fox article deflected. >> go figure. the other thing there's a bureaucratic thing that can to be done and they are on the way to do it which is set up some isolated unit inside the white house to deal with this issue and sean spicer sayi...

Answers about the latest developments. he wouldn't confirm whether jared kushner tried to set up a back channel to the kremlin during the transition. spicer would not confirm whether the president knew about kushner doing so but he endoorsd recent comment by top administration officials that supported the notion of back channels. >> secretary kelly and mcmaster discussed in general terms back channels are appropriate part of diplomacy. former national security adviser michael flynn says he will provide documents. a source says he'll deliver the first batch by june 6th. flynn had refused to c...

Flynn, and in his particular case, he was reaching out to his future counterpart. jared's back channels, dented obama do that with the horrible arabian deal? and he sat and said, tell vladimir, i will have a lot more flexibility when i get reelected? that seems to be a back channel communication that seems smart. reaching out to your counterpart, reaching out to a country in the hopes that you can get a dialog for the betterment of both sides does not seem so sinister. and i say this, putting up on the side of the screen that all the deep state leaks under trump so that the audience can see. w...