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A judge they would not allow it to go on. the judge would say knock it off. this has been going on for decades. decades of back channels. >> guest: let's point this out for the 1,000th time zero evidence of collusion between trump, trump administration and the russians influencing the election. >> guest: there is no there, there. everybody has been consistent. >> eboni: right. the investigation hasn't concluded yet, right? >> guest: you are innocent until proven in the. >> eboni: you are. i am not in favor of indicting president trump. i want to be fair of the process and let it play out.

The way he did last week basically it was as if putin was operating. because putin owns him. can we just say that? there is no other rational explanation. why are is kushner setting up back channels? how many more smoke bombs do we have to see? there is no other --explanation. give me of will-i want to not believe that. >> i think general hayden's comment and the reason i read it is because he offers up thenot believe that. >> i think general hayden's comment and the reason i read it is because he offers up the incompetence defense. i hear it from inside the whoit house, inside the cabinet. >>...

Which is very common. pete: the way the old school way of doing back channeling. jfk and r.f.k. brother robert also used back channels? >> absolutely. i think this is interesting to me. jonathan carl of nbc actually tweeted this was a rare break in the monolithic media, national media, there is fake news and then there is fake history. some journalists are not willing to lie for fake history. so jonathan carl referred to that connection. john kennedy used his brother r.f.k. to connect with anna totally de brennan it helped end the cuban missile crisis. nixon used the back channel to end the wa...

All of it plays out. we don't convict somebody based on a "washington post" report. i'm disturbed by what was in that report but i want to render final judgment based on someone who finds who is in a position of prosecutorial power. we are talking about back channels. back channels can be good and republicans are going out saying secretary kissinger when he was in power in the '60s he would have back channel. his back channels were at a cafe, weren't in the russian secure information facility. there is one aspect which has been gnawing at me for a while. see the division in the country and the...

To communicate back channels, publicly with other countries. i don't see any big issue here relative to jared. >> all right. these revelations are a point concern for senator john mccain, however, who spoke to australian media this morning. >> i know that some administration officials are saying, well, that's standard procedure. i don't think it's standard procedure prior to the inauguration of a president of the united states by someone who is not in an appointed position. >> joining me to discuss this with more malcolm nantz, the author of wikileaks tried to steal the 2016 election. also msn...