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Media, democrats -- >> leland: i don't think it's the media's job to promote the president's achievements. >> no, but they do have a narrative and they have an agenda, sometimes, they do try to promote. he needs -- he's dealing with that all the time. you take this latest issue with jared curveballer in, you have obama who sent an emissary to iran before he was elected. there's hypocrisy about how donald trump is operating, never before. he is being mistreated. he needs a war room to set the agenda right. >> leland: you need a war room or call it one or two different things. we'll peck up on w...

Trouble you? >> not at all. to be honest with you. >> it doesn't trouble you. >> no. jared kushner was involved in the campaign on policy. involved afterwards in the transition. to me, it's not inappropriate at all for him to be talking to people about, at least the substance what i heard about, we don't know this to be true, was, hey, will the russians back away from iran? that's a good thing to be talking to russia. >> with a back channel, to ask if he can have a communications channel directly to moscow as a member of the -- >> transition team. to me, look, there are all sorts of back chann...

Questions, a lot of troubling questions and for me the big take away why hasn't the white house said anything? why hasn't jared kushner and his team responded in any way, even if it were to sort of leak strategically to get their side out of the story. so i understand the need for back channels. but i think what jeremy said abouhow the u.s.as troops on the ground,ow can there only be one president at a time as ned said, i mean, this really doesn't pass the smell test. i think that what we really need to do as journalists certain my people on the hill and elsewhere need to do is get to the bott...

Know, we think. i think that they're letting the american public down by not delving deeper into what is going on withared kushner and this back channelling, about the lies and his failure to disclose he had had these meetings, the same thing with sessions, failure to disclose about the meetings. what more do we need? >> well, pulling no punches as usual, congresswoman maxine waters. thank you for being here. >> thank you, joy, so much. >> and check her out online @maxinewaters. >> and coming up the history of using diplomatic back channels. ♪ to move... with you... through you... ♪

Investigation for his contacts with russia during the transition. let's talk about that with our panel. former republican candidate, rick santorum, jennifer granholm, former democratic governor of michigan, kevin madden and former democratic ohio state senator, nina turner. senator santorum, does this trouble you? >> not at all. to be honest with you. jared kushner was involved in the campaign on policy. involved afterwards, to me, it's not inappropriate at all for him to be b talking to people about, at least the substance, we don't know this to be b true, hey, will the russians back away fro...